Togusa's eyes glaze over slightly, staring at nothing until he points at Malik. "Janet's been mentioned recently enough, I think she's fine. That leaked video when Retrospec couldn't find us. Jim's still around, too, just not allowed to talk to us."

Togusa blinks and focuses again, looking at Malik fully. "And it's not quite hostage. Or, it's a voluntary hostage situation. Every time I've really looked at Retrospec's situation? They're scared. They are scared of something so hard that they did this to themselves, locked themselves up to protect themselves."

"There's also the problem of asking Joanne, 'hey, do you want to help put your own family in jail?' Don't think she'd go for it. Which is why I think Retrospec keeps recruiting from in-family." The cult analogy seems to strengthen, in Togusa's mind.